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  Anyone noticed a curiosity on the Memorial Invitation for 2013 ?

  by EdenOne in

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  i can't scan the memorial invitation for 2013, but i was looking at it today and noticed something curious on the front drawing.. we have jesus as the central figure of the composition.

  to his right and bottom, a large crown, in colour, of shiny happy people of diverse origins.. separated from this by the figure of jesus, is another group, a much smaller one, on the left and as if ascending to the top, and grayed.. clearly portrayed in this group is the face of ct russell and apparently william tyndale.

  but then, also sarah and abraham and other personalities of the ot seem to be represented there.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I recall throwing hundreds of those things away each year. Everyone got far too many at the literature counter hoping to impress others.

  Len

  
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  Help from the resourceful members of this site

  by never a jw in

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  for a while i have been curious about the specific contents of the pages that the wt (bible students) were ordered to remove from the "finished mystery" by the u.s. government.. anyone knows where i can get those pages?.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Finally, here. The pages that were removed under orders by the U.S. government.

  A few quotes from that forum post:

  "It might interest current and ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses to know that Rutherford ordered the Bible Students to rip out pages 247 through 253 in all copies of The Finished Mystery in his last ditch attempt to avoid jail time. Surprisingly, the Proclaimers book (p. 652) partially admits that this happened (that the pages were removed), but does not explain that it this was done so that Rutherford could avoid jail time. ...

  Below are my notes about those pages. I’ll let you decide whether the charges of "sedition" were false -- or not. . .

  "People who display patriotism are delusional murderers acting in the very spirit of the devil. Patriotism is narrow-minded hatred of other people." etc., etc.
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  Help from the resourceful members of this site

  by never a jw in

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  for a while i have been curious about the specific contents of the pages that the wt (bible students) were ordered to remove from the "finished mystery" by the u.s. government.. anyone knows where i can get those pages?.

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  FatFreek 2005

  This forum discussion is from 11 years ago and has, I think, what you'd like to see. There, Blondie in her 38th (of some 40,000) post gives some excellent comparisons. There are others who chip in as well.

  Len
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  Help from the resourceful members of this site

  by never a jw in

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  for a while i have been curious about the specific contents of the pages that the wt (bible students) were ordered to remove from the "finished mystery" by the u.s. government.. anyone knows where i can get those pages?.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I can't help you directly but suspect, as Mr. Flipper does, that someone will jump in here. If push comes to shove, however, here is a link to over 300 sources of "Finished Mystery" discussions. It'll take some digging through on your part to see if some are relevant.

  Len
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  Why is the "Shepherd the Flock of God" book only viewed by Elders?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  if the shephard book contains rules taken from the nwt, then why is one held confidential and the other not viewed as such?

  if the sheep are not allowed to view the elders manual then they should not be allowed to view/read the nwt.. "the following page shows an excerpt from one of the official letter that was sent to the elders regarding the importance of keeping this book confidential:.

  (note: the "kingdom ministry school" referred to in the letter is a training program for elders and ministerial servants; the 1991 kingdom ministry textbook referred to is the previous version that the"shepherd the flock of god" book replaces)".

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  Why is the "Shepherd the Flock of God" book only viewed by Elders?

  by I_love_Jeff in

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  if the shephard book contains rules taken from the nwt, then why is one held confidential and the other not viewed as such?

  if the sheep are not allowed to view the elders manual then they should not be allowed to view/read the nwt.. "the following page shows an excerpt from one of the official letter that was sent to the elders regarding the importance of keeping this book confidential:.

  (note: the "kingdom ministry school" referred to in the letter is a training program for elders and ministerial servants; the 1991 kingdom ministry textbook referred to is the previous version that the"shepherd the flock of god" book replaces)".

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  Watchtower struck by lightning

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  this just in from sources close to brooklyn bethel.

  jehovah in his infinite wisdom apparently does not want to appear discriminatory as the vatican is not the only bad guy on the block.

  some reporters on the scene were able to pick up digital signals from somewhere "up high" and certain smart phones, camera shutters clicking, transcribed interpretations of those signals, "... overlapping generations, yadda yadda, 1975, 1925, 1914, yadda yadda, blood transfusions, pyramidology, yadda, shunning, yadda ...".

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi CoCo,

  Things are well, thank you.

  It's great to have you old timers chime in with real life experiences. I hadn't heard of that one. I hope no one was hurt.

  Len
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  Watchtower struck by lightning

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  this just in from sources close to brooklyn bethel.

  jehovah in his infinite wisdom apparently does not want to appear discriminatory as the vatican is not the only bad guy on the block.

  some reporters on the scene were able to pick up digital signals from somewhere "up high" and certain smart phones, camera shutters clicking, transcribed interpretations of those signals, "... overlapping generations, yadda yadda, 1975, 1925, 1914, yadda yadda, blood transfusions, pyramidology, yadda, shunning, yadda ...".

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  This just in from sources close to Brooklyn Bethel. Jehovah in his infinite wisdom apparently does not want to appear discriminatory as the Vatican is not the only bad guy on the block. Some reporters on the scene were able to pick up digital signals from somewhere "up high" and certain smart phones, camera shutters clicking, transcribed interpretations of those signals, "... overlapping generations, yadda yadda, 1975, 1925, 1914, yadda yadda, blood transfusions, pyramidology, yadda, shunning, yadda ...". Could there be some correlation? Len.

  
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  A couple of Jehovah Witness stumpers! Add some if you like

  by TheNurseInBlack in

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  these are some questions that i ask the jehovah witnesses.

  i hope you find them useful .

  disclaimer: these are questions i found on the iternet and from other sources of research.

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  Mum: FatFreek 2005: Are you from Ohio? I think I might have known you in the '60's.

  Hi Mum. I kinda doubt it, unless there's something else I don't know. While in the JWs I was in Mass., Iowa, and Arkansas. That avatar is when I was 7 years old, some 65 years ago.

  Len
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  A couple of Jehovah Witness stumpers! Add some if you like

  by TheNurseInBlack in

  1. watchtower
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  these are some questions that i ask the jehovah witnesses.

  i hope you find them useful .

  disclaimer: these are questions i found on the iternet and from other sources of research.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hi TNIB,

  It's always great to welcome new ones here and find them as eloquent as you. Those, indeed, are a great series of thought provoking arguments and questions. I'd hate to be a JW again -- encountering such stumpers.

  It's great to be on the inside of the door when a JW calls. I love it. I always get a chance to divulge the fact that I studied with them many years ago. Not a lie -- I simply don't expose the fact that I then became a MS, an elder, developed a bothered conscience that resulted in disfellowshipping.

  Their inevitable question -- "Why did you stop studying?" -- is the perfect lead to my introduction to The Great Watchtower Contradiction, an 11 minute read designed for new ones but which poses questions on topics that the most seasoned JW would cringe at.

  Contradiction contains a table handout that you can snip for purse or billfold. I always keep my billfold handy.

  Len